Evolution director Lucile Hadžihalilović was kind enough to answer some questions in advance of the Vanguard premiere. She talks about some of the influences on the film, Narciso Ibañez Serrador, Giorgio de Chirico, collaboration, the challenges of filming underwater, and the movement of weeds in the current.
Carol Borden: In interviews
discussing your previous feature, Innocence, you've mentioned
Frank Wedekind's "Mine-Haha," Peter Weir's Picnic At
Hanging Rock, and Magritte as influences and references. Who or
what are some of the references and influences on Evolution?
Lucile Hadžihalilović: I didn’t have any
particular film in mind, apart from Narciso Ibañez Serrador’s
Island of the Damned (aka, Who Can Kill a Child?) for its white
village inhabited by children, as well as the idea of a dark but
sunlit fairy tale.
When I had already
written Evolution, I discovered Serrador’s lost TV drama Los Bulbos in which aliens introduce their ‘alien-worms’ into
children’s bellies. I saw only two short extracts but I loved the
soft magical-realist mood. I can say that Los Bulbos had a kind of
“retrospective” influence on the film!
Less consciously,
but with hindsight, I was clearly influenced by classic horror or
sci-fi stories I read as a teenager - Lovecraft or Philip K Dick. For
instance, Dick’s short story, “The Father-Thing”, in which a boy
discovers that his father is not his real father, and is not even
human.
Visually, I had the
painter Giorgio de Chirico as a reference, for the enigmatic, sunlit
southern European settings.
Also, with regard to the composition, certain Japanese films from the ’60s shot in Cinemascope – films by Wakamatsu or Teshigahara, or Nakagawa’s Jigoku.
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| Chirico. "Gare de Montparnasse (The Melancholy of Departure)." 1914. |
CB: Your films have a
really strong sense of a human relationship to and separation from
nature and, perhaps connected, a strong sense of the relationship
between/separation of male and female, adult and child. What do
you find interesting or artistically inspiring in
these semi-permeable barriers?
LH: I can see that
that’s the case but it’s very hard for me to answer why.
Since my films are usually “magical tales”, this defines more easily the challenges and trials that the characters have to go through.
CB: What was the process of writing the film with Alanté Kavaïté like?
LH: I had written a few
versions of the script I wasn’t satisfied with when Alanté and I
begun to work together. At first, she read different versions of the
script, and made very sharp, deep and constructive comments. Little
by little she got more involved in the writing/rewriting. Mostly, she
helped me with the internal logic of this enclosed world. Thanks to
her, I could build the right story to express the feelings and images
I had in mind.
I also collaborated
with Geoff Cox who has been a great reader and advisor throughout the
years I’ve been developing Evolution.
CB: How did you come
to work with cinematographer Manuel Dacosse in Evolution? And what were some
of the challenges of filming underwater and
underwater cinematography?
LH: I love the
cinematography and the look of some of the films Manu Dacosse has
shot: Amer and The Strange Color of Your Body’s Tears by Cattet &
Forzani. The use of colour and darkness and the sense of framing in
those films are wonderful.
Before Evolution, I
made a short film, Nectar, with Manu, and I could see he wasn’t
afraid of challenges such as use of natural light and shooting very
quickly!
As for filming
underwater it was indeed quite a challenge!
We worked with an
excellent underwater camera operator and long-time scuba diver from
the Canary Islands, Rafael Herrero. He knew the seabed of the
archipelago by heart and found the right underwater locations. He
knew exactly at what time the sun would illuminate these spots, and
the kind of flora that would be there. Manu and I gave him
instructions so he could shoot images without actors. The difficulty
– since he was used to filming documentaries – was to make him
understand that we wanted a different visual grammar with long,
steady shots, and that we weren’t looking for transparency or
definition, but for cloudy water… that we wanted to capture a kind
of abstraction through organic matter and movement.
As for the shots
with the actors, one of the main difficulties was that we didn’t
have any monitoring on the camera. So I had to swim underwater to try
to check what the actors were doing, but I couldn’t see what was in
the frame. After a few takes, we had to take the camera out of the
water to unload the images to be able to watch them - and if
necessary, to go back into the water for another take. The process
took a lot of time!
Of
course, the biggest difficulty was for the actors (especially for Max
Brebant, the boy who plays Nicolas) because they had to stop
breathing. It was also very hard for them to do the action and go
from one point to another, because of the current. It was physically
very challenging for them.
CB: There's a
strong sense of movement in your films. Do you work with
a choreographer? How do you design the movement of the characters?
And did the underwater scenes in Evolution present new
opportunities and challenges in choreographing movement?
LH: I wanted to work
with a choreographer for the scene with the women on the beach
because it was a ritual as well as a scene with a collective, alien
mood. But because of budget and time restraints, I could only have
someone to rehearse the extras the day we shot it. So I asked Gisele
Vienne, an artist used to working with dancers and in whom I had
total confidence, to help me. She understood perfectly what I was
looking for and managed to train the women in a few hours to do the
movements we imagined. We worked with women who practised yoga rather
than with dancers because I didn’t want them to be too
“expressive”.
As for the
underwater scenes, it’s wonderful to see a human body moving in
this world without gravity. Unfortunately we didn’t have much time
to explore the possibilities of “aquatic ballet”, and it was very
difficult for the actors to carry out any “action” as planned.
Nevertheless we tried to choreograph the movements of Stella and the
boy in the final underwater scene, where they had to be both
synchronised and gracious…
I was also
fascinated by the movement of the weeds in the current - they made
visible in a perfect sensual and strange way the feelings and
emotions I wanted to express.
Thanks again to Lucile Hadžihalilović for taking the time to answer my questions.
EVOLUTION Screening Times:
Mon., Sept. 14, 9:30pm at RYERSON
Wed., Sept. 16, 4:30pm at BLOOR HOT DOCS CINEMA
Sun., Sept. 20, 8:30pm at TIFF BELL LIGHTBOX
Mon., Sept. 14, 9:30pm at RYERSON
Wed., Sept. 16, 4:30pm at BLOOR HOT DOCS CINEMA
Sun., Sept. 20, 8:30pm at TIFF BELL LIGHTBOX
